What a fun evening in Achnamara Hall. We raised £408. Well done to the organisers, the chefs, the washer uppers, the contestants and of course the quiz master! Thank you all.
Sunday 10 November at 6pm in Achnamara Hall
Bring and share finger buffet supper and BYOB
Teams of 6 – bring a team or make up a team on the night. For the best chance of winning have a wide range of ages in your team so bring your children or your friends’ grandchildren. The more the merrier! Every pound raised will help transform the lives of people living in poverty.
There will be prizes for the winning team and a raffle. Raffle prizes will be gratefully received!
So please be generous……with your time, your talents and your money!
David Caruthers opened the meeting with prayer.
David Caruthers and Hilda Smith both stressed that we should be looking at the next 10 to 20 years, beyond their likely current tenure as ministers.
It was noted that other areas, such as Dunoon and Campbeltown were also going through a similar review of their structures and developing their plans for the future which involved the churches in their areas coming together through linkages and unions, with a reduced number of ministers.
A suggestion was made that, as Presbytery was considering appointing a “Chaplain to Farmers” this may be a post which could be incorporated into Mid Argyll.
The use of technology to bring sermons and other worship materials into churches was suggested to reduce the load on individuals leading worship over a number of church buildings.
It was suggested that we should as a group identify the tasks which the “new church” wanted to achieve, and then consider the resources required to achieve this, and then look at the type of personnel and structures to best carry this through.
The point was made that, while looking to focus on mission to develop the church, it would also be incumbent on the church to look after and nurture the existing members, particularly where it was apparent that membership was dying out.
It was noted that a ministers are required to carry out Weddings and baptisms, and to some extent funerals, although the Church of Scotland is providing training for readers to carry out funerals.
A proposal was made to divide mid Argyll into two “areas”. Ardrishaig joined with North and South Knapdale, and Lochgilphead joined with Glassary, Kilmartin and Ford. This would avoid displacing the current ministers but would increase their responsibilities, membership and populations. One further Mission Development person could be employed to encourage mission across the two areas.
Another suggestion was made that the area could come under one minister giving leadership to a team of two Mission Development people working across the whole area and also working with, training and encouraging members to do mission activities.
In both the above scenarios local worship could continue to take place with input from Local Worship Leaders, Readers, and other lay members.
With either of the above scenarios funding for a third post would have to be applied for, although the Church of Scotland is planning to disburse funding to Presbyteries for such posts through the saving accruing centrally under the reduction of staff in the Radical Action Plan.
It was agreed that this was a starting point for discussions and that for future meetings, two people from each parish, plus the two ministers, attend to represent the views of the members.
The next meeting was set for the 1st October 2019, at Lochgilphead Parish Hall.
Norma Kelly and Kim Ritchie have agreed to attend from North Knapdale.
In this series of six lectures, which will be live streamed on the Church of Scotland website, Rev. Dr. Sam Wells, vicar of St. Martin-in-the-fields, London, discusses the theology and methods of HeartEdge as a vision for renewal in the church.
See poster for more details
A big thank you to everyone, who baked, nurtured their plants, made sandwiches, provided gifts, manned the stalls, served the food, tidied up and of course to all of you who came and spent your money!
We made £802.60!
Mission Development Planning: Summary
Meetings in North Knapdale have been held on 29 May, 2 and 16 June, and 7 July.
On 7 July we looked at the main themes which had come out of the first three meetings and these are listed below in order of most mentioned.
|Theme||Description||Number of mentions|
|Community Connection||The church being involved in the activities and interests of the community in which they live||21|
|Mission||Communicating the gospel of Jesus Christ to people who have not heard or have rejected the message of Christianity.||17|
|Prayer and Spirituality||Worshipping together, seeking God’s will, telling others of God’s love, sharing belief and faith in God.||12|
|Christian Teaching||Teaching and discussion on Christianity, faith, Bible study||9|
|Care and Concern||Serving others in the church and community who have some area of need.||8|
We talked about what staffing would be best in terms of paid staff and volunteers which would be able to serve the five parishes of Mid Argyll.
The main Options are:
1 Status quo – three ministers – this is not a realistic option due to financial restraints from Presbytery and Edinburgh.
2 Two full time ministers shared between five parishes with support from readers/ordained local ministers.
3 One minister and one other post – for example a mission development person or a youth worker or an elderly worker or two part time posts, with support from readers/ordained local ministers
We may be able to bid for extra funding from Edinburgh for another (non-minister) full time post if we have suitable mission plan
If we want to maintain the current pattern of Sunday worship in each parish this would require readers and local worship leaders and members of the congregation regularly taking part in leading worship, as there will not be a minister available to take services in each parish every Sunday.
We talked about the buildings we would need in order to carry out the above themes that we have identified.
There was concern about the possibility of closing Bellanoch Church. It was agreed that Bellanoch church is strategically placed to serve Bellanoch, Crinan and along the canal.
It is an attractive venue for worship but lacks facilities, level access and parking.
There is no “community space” available in the Crinan, Bellanoch, and Canal side area although the Crinan Coffee shop has been used for some community events, e.g. Community Council meetings.
A suggestion was made to build around Bellanoch church to transform it into a “community hub”, retaining the worship space, and adding meetings room, toilets and kitchen.
Some plans are currently being developed for extension/alterations to Tayvallich church. Use is also being made regularly of Achnamara Hall.
It was agreed that we set up a meeting with the other four parishes to discuss all our plans.
The next meeting for North Knapdale is after worship on 21st July in Tayvallich Church.
Some questions to think about for this next meeting are:
What are the pros and cons of having two ministers?
What are the pros and cons of having one minister and a mission development person/youth worker/other full time person (or two part time)?
Can we make a case for funds for another person – for what role?
Are we willing to continue having congregation members, readers, Local Worship leaders taking services regularly when our minister(s) is not available.
What buildings do we think we need across all Mid Argyll?
What, if any, building do we need to serve the Crinan/Bellanoch/canal side area?
What building, if any, do we need in Tayvallich, and in Achnamara?
All previous notes are on the website or ask for a paper copy.
Mission Planning for Mid Argyll: North Knapdale 3rd meeting
Future of the Church of Scotland
3rd Meeting held in Tayvallich Church on June 16th 2019
The number of attenders at the service held on this day were very few around 15. The number who stayed behind to continue discussions around the future of the C of S and North Knapdale’s views were around 10.
We started in prayer and looked at the thoughts that had been forthcoming from the previous meeting and David’s notes on that were read out. Those who had contributed to the 2nd meeting were glad to hear their comments included.
Catherine Paterson read out the bullet points from the Life and Work with a view to their relevance and impact on NK. Whilst a number of the bullet points were aspirational, there was little sense of direction given the diverse range of local parishes we have within Argyll and Bute.
Networking and providing a hub for ministry was very much seen as a way forward, but we asked how could the people of Achnamara, Tayvallich, Bellanoch, Crinan and Cairnbaan be served, particularly if Bellanoch were to be closed as seems a strong possibility leaving only 1 building in Tayvallich remaining.
The thought of the latter disturbed most, if not all at the meeting but it was recognised that having no running water, no toilet and further repairs required in the future would probably not be an option. One person said that we’re told that NK had plenty of money and felt some of that should be earmarked for Bellanoch. That raised murmers of agreement.
We noted the tag line from bullet point 10 “well equipped spaces in the right places” and felt that probably most churches in Mid Argyll would not meet that particular criteria and that most church-goers would be reluctant for their church to be earmarked as redundant but we agreed that point would need to be met in the near future.
The point of further training for ministry and leadership roles drew comments that this was simply a means of dealing with the dearth of Ministers and fewer men and women training to be C of S ministers.
We did recognise that the Church as a whole, has to have a fresh vision and that encouraging members within the church to be more active in different roles was right. But there were strong feelings that we all need feeding and teaching from Scriptures and that Ministers were equipped during their training to provide the relevance of God’s word for today and we all need ministry.
Other discussions centred around the need for meeting up with our neighbouring churches to hear their views and start the talks on how the diverse geographic and low-populated parts of our parish could be served.
We discussed the need for the church to reach out to those under 40. Catherine told of a Mosque in Perth who also face this problem and used their hall to provide sports activities run and supported by the members.
Whilst Messy Church reached out to primary school children, they did not keep attending when they reached secondary school age. We need to be where the young people are – but how? We also understand that young people often experience anxiety or mental health problems and there are few resources for them.
Everyone agreed with the final bullet point on a season of prayer and preparation from September to December. Could that be expanded on at the next meeting please?
There was an agreed sense that we need to pray for this situation, seek ways to find a new structure that would be fit for purpose for Mid Argyll and that training those who played active roles within the churches in this area be recognised as crucial.
We need to guard that new structures don’t become strictures that would discourage more people being involved in church growth or leaving the church to find alternatives places to worship.
Catherine thanked everyone for attending and contributing to the discussions.
The meeting closed in prayer.
The next meeting is planned for July 7th after worship.
Post meeting email.
Due to the birth of their daughter, Courtney and Nick Smith could not attend this meeting but sent on this email a week later. Having taken the trouble to type this up, feel it’s only fair to include their thoughts.
Nick, Daisy and I are not quite ready for a Sunday service with North Knapdale yet, for a number of reasons… but we wanted to contribute to the discussions and brainstorming ideas that will take place today. Below is a list of ideas we developed- please forgive the rough draft – we were typing one handed and Time for editing is short these days!
1.The arrow head of Christianity in the community is Christmas
Christmas decorations and ‘vibe’ in Lochgilphead could be much improved – a little more pride taken particularly with the tree.
Perhaps a donation of new street decorations – particularly the tree with a Christian focus – rather than the councils current decorations. Perhaps a beautiful nativity scene.
Could all of the local churches across denominations unite to present a Christian presence that values and glorifies the communities visual experience of Christmas? Imagine if we had a magnificent tree – like the ones from the movies that the wider communities watch at Christmas time.
Further on the ideas surrounding Christmas as the churches most public/active community interaction/presence…
Could we host a carol event on the green in Lochgilphead and reach out to the other churches, schools and secular choirs to join in? if the children are involved through school music programs, then the families will come. could have a little craft market or offer mince pies and mulled wine. not for donations but as a generous Christmas gift to the community.
local art competition across all schools and denominations for posters and publicity. get the paper involved to print new carol sheets in the weeks before Christmas.
This could create cross denominational and secular community buzz.
Get men involved, you get the men, you get the women and the children.
Fathers’ day… Glorify the masculine contributions in our society with a summer festival on the new Lochgilphead green.
Spend some of the 200K in the bank on this, accept that we will spend money and make an investment. Better than investing 20k in nothing the community benefits from and then reporting that we’ve made a loss.
Bring people together and sponsor the event proudly as the new public face of the combined congregations who wants to get involved in the community. Have a fete, kids will come, families will come… put on music, farm foods, military, shooting clubs, men’s clubs…
Further on getting men involved to bring in more families…
tool sharing/men’s shed – buy a shed full of tools most men don’t have – plant tools etc. create a tool library and offer mentoring/help with diy projects or advice.
could be involved in making the beautiful nativity scene for christmas decorations. very skilled community – lets use it.
Get local paper involved. Put posters up.
some other ideas:
Invest in accommodation such as a swift s-pod 6. , air bnb it… get a genuine revenue and have guests come stay in the pod. Don’t over do the church involvement but make it known. Could be used as retreat with sightseeing packages included/suggested. could book guided walks for additional fees, etc.
The church is up against secularism… this church will not thrive in its current state. If we change it to a more modern or Pentecostal style we will lose the current congregation and move further away from the biblical realities of what church is supposed to be. Only traditionalists will join this church in its current state. It provides for the current congregation but not really any deeper.
Keep what we have for current ageing congregation.
Put more focus on outward activities and clubs.
Spend money in local community to make events appealing to non church goers.
Sponsor community team/sports team. Provide most valuable player prize – voucher to square peg or something.
All blue sky ideas… but that’s where we are aiming when we glorify our God!
The second week of the Columba Experience passed through Achnamara and were looked after by residents of Achnamara who provided accommodation and North Knapdale Church who provided the evening meal.